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A quick update on the state of LRP this week. I ended up catching a cold (started about 6 hours after my last post) not a terrible one, but enough that LRP attempts just became naps for the first couple days--something that's very unusual for me. I'm now coughing enough that relaxation is not happening when lying on my back, so my sessions are likely to be walking with an emphasis on being present for the next little while. My current plan is to restart the SBS recordings when I can reliably avoid needing/feeling like I need to cough for the length of a session.

Elephant walks - Same cramping feeling, but I noticed my calves were quite tight so I stretched those and came back to this one. It was much more comfortable afterwards--feels like stretching rather than cramping. I worked into another standing forward fold at the end today. Those are getting easier too. Right now there's a little more stiffness in my lower back than often. Calf stretches (C&R) - These were much needed. I did 3x8s full hands on the floor L-sits after these two. Not easy, not horrible either. The weakest part today is the lower traps and shoulder press. I'm going to try wearing a weighted backpack when I do some of the regressions to try to bridge the effort gap with that, because one leg down is a whole lot easier than no legs down. Hamstring lunge + hip flexor/quad lunge - I'm not sure doing these back to back was wise, but I just worked on where I could feel the tension and did some contractions and relaxations. The hamstring stretch on the part of my hamstring that's been cramping Cossack squats - Not my best sessions with these today, but patience and consistency and working with where I am rather than where I want to be is a strategy that always seems to work in the longer term. QL straddle - increased flexibility here, but I'm still consistently tight in those muscles. I just stayed here for a good length of time, sinking in deeper on the out breath, and re-aligning on the in breaths. I felt gracilis a bit with the straddles as well so at some point, I'm going to have to try releasing that one, but when I start feeling along it, the sensation is not appealing. Back bends - nice stretch through the abdomen today with this one. C-shape spine to finish. LRP.

My PB for the 8k was 41.19 I ran it in 40.38 Sunday

> Try working on piriformis anyway, and get as deep as you can going towards the foot of the affected leg with a back as straight as you can hold it (the advanced piriformis exercise). You might need to get into it in some depth before you can work out whether or not p. is involved. Piriformis syndrome mimics disc-induced sciatica perfectly – and the exercise I'm describing is the only action one can take to distinguish these two causes. Thanks @Kit_L . I ended up trying the advanced piriformis again and although I felt a deep stretch in my piriformis, the nerve pain/sensation itself did not trigger (in this position). However ... something unexpected happened after I lodged a lacrosse ball behind my knee, the ball making contact on the outside of both upper calve and lower hamstring, and for some reason unknown to me, enabled me to transition deeper into seiza position without the sharp pain triggering. After a few repetitions with the lacrosse ball, I was surprised to find that I could then transition back into the seiza without triggering the shooting pain. Placing the lacrosse ball into this position reminds me of one of the ST videos where you place a stick behind both knees while stretching in the seiza position. I'm about to hit the sack however will report back tomorrow.

I can't argue with the results I'm having from what I'm doing in terms of getting stronger. My weight hasn't changed in the last two weeks. I'm still getting leaner (gaining muscle, losing fat) and I still feel tired, so I'll increase my calories by another 250kcal/day and re-evaluate in another week or two. Strength portion: L-sit 1x10s full floor L-sit + 3x20s one leg up at a time - It feels like I'm more limited by quads, shoulders, and lower traps than my core at this point. These also have a definite impact on what comes after too because everything involved in it ends up fatigued. Hollow body holds (full) 3x20s - (10s full, 10s arms over thighs or knees slightly bent to regress them). I still need to get into them in stages (lower back down with the hollow, then my legs lifted, then arms overhead) to keep good form. 1x20s/side single arm hang no rotation. I'm trying to be more active with these as well, but that's still quite difficult. I was curious what doing these before the pullups was like, and I was pleasantly surprised, but it has a detrimental effect on how many pull-ups and what weight I want to use. 3x1 slow pull-ups. With these I went from a dead hang, and just did them as slowly as I could. 5s pull as hard as I can at the top, slow negatives with isometrics when my elbow joint were at various open angles into an active -> passive hang between reps. My aim was to feel each portion of it as fully as possible. Even having done weighted ones the last few sessions, I don't feel strong enough to do these quickly. I'm contemplating regressing them with a pulley and some weight to build volume and see if that will help. I've hit the same kind of wall in the past with Single leg squats and overhead kettlebell presses where I can 1-3 and then just stall there since I can't do enough volume to do more. 1x5/side archer pushups - I wasn't expecting to do these when I started this session, but when I checked my arm position at the bottom of the first wider offset rep, I was pretty much certain I'd be able to do these so I gave it a try. It's awkward on the way up, so I may revert to the wider offset ones to get some more volume with those. 1x8/side single leg Romanian dead lifts with 24kg kettlebell. I was still feeling these a bit from last session, so I did less today. 3x4 alternating weight (+10lb) assisted single leg squats. I'm planning to stretch in a few days. LRP.

Day 514 of stretching and flexibility journey Summary first time ever experience a cramp in (I think) internal oblique In my dance practice, I started attempting spinal twisting / rotation and on Friday, rotating my upper body left or right, while keeping my hips faced forwards. During the first few initial attempts, my internal oblique started cramping and immediately, I had the thought of: "Oh, I guess this muscle has hits its limits at the end range of motion." Similar to hamstring cramp and foot cramps, I know that if I continue to stretch my body in this waste — and breathe and relax — over time, the cramps will subside. Today Hung on my pull up bar for probably 1 minute While I was taking a hot shower, lifting my arm upwards so that my finger tips were pointing towards the ceiling, and then rested the arm against the tile. This position tends to cause a cramp & spasm in my left shoulder and I'm slowly increasing the strength and end range of motion to (hopefully) over time, eliminate pain. The left shoulder has taken exponentially longer than my right shoulder to heal and no problem. I know it will vanish on its own over time

I had more time than often today, so I did a longer session today. My weight is holding pretty much steady and I'm continuing to get leaner so I'm going to stick with my current eating habits for a while. The once a week strength training continues to be quite effective for me. I do miss more frequent sessions through the week, but I walk and do a couple easy runs (generally 2/week) to get some movement in along with my usual limbering. Strength portion: 1x12(alternating after 2 reps/side) full depth single leg squats + 1x8 alternating thigh to parallel (or a bit below) single leg squats as a finish. I should have mentioned this last week, but I always forget just how far forward my knee ends up going with these when I haven't done these in a while. The upside of forgetting that is that I've evidently spent enough time on preparatory exercises to break through the 1-3 rep max per day plateau that I've gotten stuck on in the past. 1x5/side + 1x10 alternating archer pushups - slight reduction in rest compared to last week. I'm still getting used to finding the right position for my hands in this movement and then where my body should be in relation to my working arm to get the most out of it. 2x5 kneeling ab-wheel roll outs. I feel these in the lower part of my core at the beginning and in my whole core (and upper back/shoulders) by the end. 1x15s/side one arm body weight at 110% bodyweight. My shoulder activation when I do these holds is increasing as well which is good. Though I miss the stretch down the side when I do them relaxed. 2x8/side single leg Romanian deadlifts with 24kg. My hamstrings have been feeling pretty much normal since my last stretch session so I'm hoping that continues. These were not enjoyable after the Floor L-sits 2s full, 10s tucked. It isn't much, but the after effects of the ab-wheel and everything else are making themselves known. With the tucked ones, I worked on bringing my hips up and forward to increase the intensity somewhat. Some remarkable triceps engagement with that moving/pressing the hips forward. 4,3,3,2 pullups - The usual isometrics on the way down and at the top. Stretching portion: Wide leg elephant walks - Pleasant tonight. Just gentle explorations of movement and sensations. They morphed into Cossack squat transitions at the end when I wanted to shift the emphasis a bit. Tailor's pose - still very challenging for me. I did it today free sitting (away from the wall) and grabbed hold of my feet to keep my back vertical. I had more stretch sensation with the contraction to open my legs. I think this might be a better technique for me at this point than against the wall just based on the sensations and where the stretch was and the movement I saw when contracting. Quad + hip flexor lunge - I'm starting to really appreciate the intensity of this one. I'm also slowly untangling the sensations in that intensity into smaller pieces. Floor shoulder stretches (palm up and palm down) C&R - I haven't done these in a while and I can feel the difference. A good reminder that even if the range of motion is still there, regular practice increases the ease of getting there. Hamstring Lunge - Not real pleasant at the beginning this evening, but I stayed with it until I felt myself relax after going deeper with the contractions. Exercise 13 from S&F. Part of my usual limbering sequence works exercise 12 so it's less of a priority. Exercise 13 (arm over the top of the shoulder) feels stiffer than it did, and I had quite an increase in depth with the C&R on both sides. Seated rotations - blissful today. These worked just the right spot in my mid-back just beside the spine. Floor seated piriformis - tight to start, C&R and much more comfortable at the end. "Baby flops" - Less asymmetry between the sides now than there used to be and my preference for which leg is forward is diminishing as well. I found a truly delightful stretch on the tighter side of the stretch with both sides, on the right it was towards the side of my lower back and on the left it was a spot near the top of the hip. Seiza <-> leaning back quad stretch. The fronts of my ankles are tighter than they were the last time I did this, but it's still a fairly comfortable position. My quads are quite resistant to stretching though. Back bends - nice stretch through the front with these, especially the lower area I felt at the beginning of the ab-wheel roll outs. Child's pose at the end to finish things off. LRP. I started working through the SBS recordings from 2014.

Feeling at ease in one's body beats having lots of money

Being able to be genuinely relaxed in daily life is the greatest gift you can give yourself, I believe.

Went for a run at 8 this morning with a few from the club did 8 miles at around 6.20 km pace.I've an 8k race next Sunday so I want to have fresh legs leading into that.Stretched after..quad wall hip flexor stretch,my quads don't feel as sore as usual afterwards

I did a stretch session on Tuesday after a (longer than usual for me) easy jog ~2.5km. The pace and distance on that was quite easy, but my running is irregular that I'm paranoid about getting shin splints if I increase the distance too much so I'll probably oscillate between this and what I've been doing for a while until it's my new normal. As far as stretching goes, not a whole was remarkable about it from a physical standpoint beyond the hamstring situation below. Quad + hip flexor, elephant walks, QL straddle, Cossack squat + variations, and the daily 5. One of those sessions where the consistency will pay off in the long term without worrying about getting somewhere today. I followed Kit's advice from some of the LRP recordings of don't try too hard, this is just an experience and let myself relax into what I was doing, without needing to think about what I was doing. I don't want to imply that it was mindless because I was very aware and engaged with it--just present with the sensations rather than caught up in thoughts. --- My left hamstring (I think biceps femoris) is still a little prone towards cramping when my bed is bent under stretch. Completely fine to do straight leg stretching, even the exercises I did to induce hamstring cramp exercises don't really give me cramps anymore, but elephant walks will wake it up even at very low perceived intensity. I haven't ever encountered that reaction with a muscle that large before over as long a time, so I'm just letting it do what it does when I go into that position and try to spend some time in it through the day, and I figure it'll stop doing it eventually. It doesn't feel at all like an injury (either at the time or now). 3x3 +1x2 pullups. The usual pausing on the way down for isometrics in my weaker range. [edit: I forgot the 1x30s/side one arm hangs. These are getting easier, I'm also able to pack my shoulder more actively in the bottom position now than previously. I have no chance of being able to start bending the hanging arm though, someday.] 2x10 alternating archer pushups. These were easier than the ones last week. The alternating is probably part of that, but I'm also a little more used to the movement which helps. I did 1 sit on the floor to standing up (no hands) single leg squat on the left side today. Then 1 full single leg squat on the right side (not off the floor, though I can do that aspect of the movement on that side as well). Followed by 1x10 alternating single leg not quite to full depth, but as deep as I could go and still get back up (thigh below parallel for all of them, but my hamstring and calf still separate for those). 1x5 kneeling ab-wheel roll outs. They don't feel terrible, but I can tell that I haven't done enough of them yet. I'm able to maintain the hollow with them though, so I think my form was good throughout. It's just going to be a process of doing enough to acclimate to them. I built mine ~12 years ago and have only tried it a handful of times since. But this one feels like I'm strong enough to do them well, so I'll aim to keep them in the rotation and build up to standing ones eventually. 1x8/side single leg Romanian deadlift with 24kg. I took it easy because of the hamstring situation, but they feel markedly easier this week than last week. 1x5s palms on floor full L-sit. Between the pushups and the ab-wheel I could tell I wasn't getting the right muscle activation to do these so I left it there. LRP.

Try working on piriformis anyway, and get as deep as you can going towards the foot of the affected leg with a back as straight as you can hold it (the advanced piriformis exercise). You might need to get into it in some depth before you can work out whether or not p. is involved. Piriformis syndrome mimics disc-induced sciatica perfectly – and the exercise I'm describing is the only action one can take to distinguish these two causes. What you describe certainly sounds like sciatica – and there are two main causes of this. One is disc impingement, which you can search on, but which normally has some kind of trauma as its background (and what you've been doing would not be considered traumatic) or piriformis syndrome which I have had myself and which occasionally has been debilitating. What you describe certain sounds like sciatica, particularly the shooting electrical pain sensation, and what we need to do now is find out what the cause of this is. As well, search on "nerve tethering tibial plateau"; the sciatic nerve splits to form two parts above the knee, and one of them is very near where you put your finger on in the original video where you show the pain is – there is a ligament loop that the outside part of the sciatic nerve has to pass through and I have had patients who have done something to that ligament which affects the capacity of the nerve to glide through it and as result there is pain downstream of that. That twisty movement you describe in the GIF may have done something to that area of the body.

I have started hanging again for my shoulders.When I used to hang I could feel my right shoulder but not my left,now my left shoulder is starting to awaken I can feel it now

Haven't stretched in a few weeks took a bit of a break.Did the quad-wall hip flexor stretch tonight felt a good stretch in the right leg with plenty of shaking.

The cold is still kicking around enough that I don't think a heavy session would be wise. I did do a few sets of 1 of most of what I've been doing lately (archer pushups, single leg squats, pullups, L-sit (3s), single arm hangs (~5s/side), single leg Romanian deadlift w/24kg) just to do something. Just a gentle stretch session today All planes of neck movements - no pushing, just relaxing and seeing how it all feels today. Elbow back bend + c-shape - both pleasant. I liked the looking back toward my heels with the back bend today. The c-shape especially was a nice stretch for my middle/upper back particularly some of the one leg further forward than the other variations. Lying rotations - no pushing here either, just being present with the sensations and relaxing on the out breath. Foot sequence - I can tell that I haven't done this one in a while. That said, I have quite a bit of controlled movement in my toes now (at least compared to when I started) and I can feel the difference that makes to the suppleness of the foot generally. SBS session 2 - the labelling of sensations in this one is a nice addition. My mind still wants to wander more than usual (which might be that it's had more time away from practice than usual).

> ended up catching a cold (started about 6 hours after my last post) not a terrible one Wishing you a speedy recovery.

Thank you both for your time. I really appreciate it and will begin some deep relaxation and those stretches. I had my own stretches and bodyweight exercises I was doing including the prone butterfly, but I will work on the pike and pancake as well. Gratefully, Chad

Hi, yes, I feel better now, I would say the issue is practically gone and I have slowly started doing more strength training. What did it for me I think was working my legs, stretching them every way possible, as often as I felt they could handle it (2-3 times a week or so). (Pike and Pancake (plus the one stretch below) stretches were my main ones, I can now do full pike, still some ways to go on the pancake ). I also practice meditation usually before which I think helps, also I notice a big difference if I had a sauna before in how deep I could go. Doing this I discovered where exactly the tension was and how to work it out, for me something like this position really hit the spot: (But I would stay static in it also and sink as deep as possible prying my legs apart pressing my groin towards the ground (helps to have kind of a slippery surface below the legs so they can slide, I used bare skin against martial art mats that are quite soft (nice for the knees) and relatively glidey)). Thanks again to @Kit_L for the original advice I received, spot on 🙇

Day 537 of stretching and flexibility journey In short: saw a physical therapist, received an ultrasound, and learned that I tore the bicep femoris tendon After 4 weeks of this injury, while recovery has occurred (just glacially), I decided to see a (well respected in the local London dance community) PT and turns out, I tore the bicep femoris tendon. Here's the ultra sound clip: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/-fV3fUK-fcU Honestly, I cannot recall which exercise — or exercises – that could've caused the tear 4 weeks ago but I recall I had only felt the pain come on 24 hours later; apparently, this is normal, since it takes about 24 hours (or so) for the fluid to rush to the location in the body (from what he shared with me). Nonetheless, I'm happy I got a diagnosis and silver lining is that I learned that I should be including eccentric loading exercises for my hamstring to strengthen the ligaments and tendons surrounding the muscle, not just all the plyometric exercises that I've been doing increasing. Lack of knowledge on my side and never considered working the ligaments and tendons so now I know. With this new understanding, I now regret (useful emotion) dancing for 4 hours the day following the tear (4 weeks ago). I likely exacerbated the issue. Finally, this injury has solidified my understanding of where the bicep femoris is located and feels like in my body

The wall quad–hip flexor may help to unlock that: https://stretchtherapy.net/wall-quad-hip-flexor-if-you-do-only-one-stretch-today-this-is-the-one/ Do this first, then re-try the seiza leaning back quad one. And do let me know how you go with the SBS recordings; they progress from the first to the last.

Thanks,I'll put that into practice.It seems relaxation improves many different things

Stay as relaxed as you can (check how high you're carrying your shoulders from time to time) and you will go well.

Did an 8k run tonight with the group.We went around in 43 minutes so we were going a nice clip.Jogged a few laps after to bring the heart rate down and to flush the waste products (hydrogen ions) out of the system.Probably was close to the anaerobic threshold during the run,going for 40 minutes on Sunday in the 8k race

Be conservative when adding mileage...increase by 10%

Simple. Two fingers of one hand on the inside, thumb side of wrist. Don't press too hard. As soon as you feel it, start counting. Most runners count for 15 seconds, and multiply by four: beats/minute. Alternatively, two fingers on side of neck in front of sternocleidomastoid; same counting system. Resting pulse rate is taken first thing in the morning, and you'll need to do it several times just in case you're anxious about the outcome – thinking about your pulse will cause it to rise. In my day as an athlete, I would base my training on that day's pulse rate (but I had years of records as to what my resting pulse rate was; you'll need to know what it is before using this technique and you'll need weeks of measuring to get that baseline 'normal') – if it was up more than a few beats a minute on my normal, I would have a lighter training day. Your pulse is an absolutely accurate way of measuring the extent to which your body is accommodating the load you're putting on it over time.

Quad wall hip flexor stretch last night and bent leg hamstring stretch tonight,my hamstrings are tight,there was some shaking however I did half a dozen breaths breathing through the discomfort

The big four: calves, hip-flexors, hamstrings, quads (or one of the quad–hip flexor combination exercises, so only three, if time is tight). Should take no more than ten minutes.

I think you're right re.active recovery.Before I would take a few days off where I'd do nothing exercise wise I don't think passive recovery works I went for a long walk the day after the race,my body felt nice and limber during it

As well as ever, better than at many other points in my life. I generally get somewhere between 7-8 hours and wake up far enough ahead of my alarms feeling reasonably refreshed that I don't think it's sleep. My days are more full than often though which may well be part of it.

Ran a race Sunday,I ran the 10k in 53.17 my pb so far.Felt sore today,went for three walks,body feels better.Will take a few more days before I stretch again...need to be fresh

> As always I like your updates. In this one though, I'm sorry to hear about the injury and wish you a smooth recovery. Appreciate the thought Ned. And likewise, enjoy following your journey and as I've mentioned before, almost every time I read about your LRP, I'm reminded to keep trying.

As always I like your updates. In this one though, I'm sorry to hear about the injury and wish you a smooth recovery.

In my experience, there is little to no load on the hamstrings WRT the duck walk (so, IMO unlikely that these caused the hamstring injury); duckwalks are all lower back, glutes, and quads. Is it possible the duck walks set off something in piriformis? "Shooting pain in right leg" sounds like sciatica, and if piriformis is in spasm, it can cause this. Get into the advanced p. start position—if p. is involved, you'll feel this immediately.

Yesterday was an odd day, everything felt heavy for most of it--not a sensation I'm unfamiliar with, but one that generally hasn't been present in the last bunch of months--and my attempt to start a strength training session in the morning was one pullup and the realization that I wouldn't be able to finish off the planned volume so I just stopped and figured I'd try it today. I ended up going for a walk that evening (1.7km) just to do something, and that turned into an relaxed pace run (+1.7km). I got home, felt good, and ended with a strength and stretch session. At least some of that sensation of heaviness was tension and it just melted away when I started walking and realized I was holding it, it's a good lesson for me to learn that tension doesn't always feel like tightness. Strength portion: 3x3 pullups + 10% of body weight, (2s up, 3s pause at the top, slow negative to dead hang each time to lose all momentum). I did the scapula pulls on Thursday to give them a try and + 1/5th of body weight for 20 reps was pretty easy (no soreness). With today's session, the bottom portion when the elbow joint is open on the way up was where I struggled. The last set I paused for 5s isometrics in a 3 different positions (~110 degrees, ~135 degrees, and ~160 degrees) on the way down in that range during each rep to try to remedy that. 1x12s/side non-rotating single arm hang L-sit 1x8s full, hands flat on the floor, then 3x20s alternating one leg up at a time in 10s increments hands on floor. 1x10 alternating single leg squat negatives, with a 5s isometric when my thigh was parallel to the ground, regular two leg squat to come back up. I went right into 1x20 alternating assisted single leg squats after those. 1x16/side (same width as last week) offset pushups. Quite a jump in reps this week compared to last week. I did another 1x12/side with my assisting hand moved over about the length of my hand and those were still quite a bit easier than expected. 2x8/side single leg Romanian deadlift w/ 24kg kettlebell 2x10s/side wall handstand progressions (one leg support) 3x25s reverse planks It's early days, but the increase in what I can do from last week compared to this week with some of them was unexpected given how long some of those movements have been plateaued for. Stretch portion: Wall calf - preparation for elephant walks Elephant walks - legs straightening by the end, small gap between thighs and torso at the end Wide elephant walk - just a nice easing into the movement QL straddle - still very much needed, not sure what's adding the tightness here, but I'll probably work on it more. I'm also more aware of the differences in muscle control in the straddled leg between sides today. My right (weaker leg) has markedly less than the left. Cossack squats + transitions - the other hand on the stretched leg's foot is still not easy, but it's what my body wants to do along with some lean forward to add more hamstring involvement. Wall quad hip flexor - I haven't tried this one in a very long time. I'm not surprised that I'm more flexible than the last time I did it, but it's still not comfortable yet so I spent some time just breathing and relaxing. Hip flexor + quad lunge - strong contractions with this one today. I stayed in the end position for a few minutes. LRP.

A famous professional bodybuilder once told me, "Kit, there's no such thing as overtraining—there's only insufficient rest, or inadequate nutrition". At the time I was writing a book on stress, and I thought I understood "overtraining", and this comment literally turned my world view around. He was right, of course (and this is only one reason I recommend, and practice, such relatively small amounts of strength training myself—two sessions a week is enough for most people. One session a week if you are really strong—the paradox is that the stronger you are, the longer you need in the recovery phase. And none of us here is a professional athlete (complete with massage on demand, and no need to hold down a job, etc.). Re. plantar fasciitis: can you stand in bare feet, then gently walk on gravel, letting the feet mould to the changing surfaces? A few minutes every now and then will start the process. The plantar fascia actually needs the stimulation from the proprioceptors and mechanoreceptors in the skin and fascia to reset what it reports to the brain. There is a long thread here on this: https://kitlaughlin.com/forums/index.php?/topic/33-flat-feet-pronation-in-response-to-a-q-from-coach-sommer/#comment-76 The exercise you need is shown there. And work done by any of the lower leg muscles pulls on the plantar fascia (it's an extension of the Achilles tendon), so stretching and strengthening the lower leg will affect this area too. Great work!

The ripped version doesn't give credit on the platforms where it appears, but the titles are baked into the opening sequence (as well as the closing titles) and they could not change those without cutting the opening sequence which is quite spectacular. Matt, speaking as an author, filmmaker and videographer (and photographer!), whose work has been ripped off all around the place (including material from the ST phase of my life), you just can't get too excited about this. Certainly you can't stop it. AI is going to supercharge this. The story of making the film was a wonderful one – but the story of exhibiting and distributing it was anything but. I became the producer of the film as well as the writer and director only because the executive producer ran out of money and could not pay the bills that I had run up in the editing of the film. We had a clear prior understanding that the bills were his responsibility. He was the one who ripped the version of the film which is now called Total Rebuild. I found out that he could not pay the bills when I called him from a public telephone box on my return from the Philippines where I had been tendering for a documentary for the Board of Tourism there – remember this is all in the days before mobile phones existed – and I asked him for $A32,000 to pay the current bill. He said simply, "I can't; I've run out of money". I had to find that money myself. These are 1980 dollars. Making a film as a joy. The rest of it — well, it all depends. A taste of that latter flavour: when I exhibited the film at Filmex Festival in Los Angeles, in the year immediately following its production, the actual film print itself was stolen at the festival, and sold illegally to the ABC Sport network and showed three times before I could stop them. I had to take them to court, from Australia... Of course this devalued the film in terms of subsequent sales. I'll stop here. There is a lot more